Vets Bets: UFC 68

Von Smooten · 03-01-2007, 03:10 PM

I thought Brain was going to do one of these, but we're just 2 days out so I'm taking it up. Brain's is probably only over at Bloodyknux (Join now!). Anyway:

UFC 68: Uprising
March 3, 2007
Nationwide Arena, OH

Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275)
I'll be up-front: this is not a fight I can analyze objectively. I like to think Couture has a very real chance to dominate Sylvia and grind out a win, but that's probably my heart talking more than my brain. Sylvia is a HUGE opponent for Randy, who's had problems with bigger guys in the past - though of course, Ricco and Barnett have vastly better ground games than Tim Sylvia. The bigger problem will be getting him down in the first place. Say what you want about Tim (for example, he's an oaf, he's boring as shit, he looks like a doof, etc), but the guy has great takedown defense, and uses his range very well. He's also mastered the art of jabbing and backpedaling his way to victory... which is pretty much the worst-case scenario here. At the very least, I hope Tim comes out with enough aggression to try and put Randy away early.
Randy has to put Tim down quickly - and he will. Wrestling is the one area where Couture has a big advantage, and he needs to utilize it. He's also a master strategist, and should know better than to try and outbox Tim the way he did Chuck. The real question is whether he can keep him down long enough, and cause sufficient damage to earn a stoppage. Machine that he is, 43-year-old cardio will be a factor; if it goes into later rounds, things will look grim. I'm either gonna celebrate or cry after this one.
Who will win - Tim Sylvia, TKO r2
Who I want - Randy Couture

Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650)
Before the Serra fight, I would have given Lytle about 1 chance in 100 to pull out a miracle. Now, way less. He couldn't stop takedowns or mount any real offense against Matt Serra, what can he hope to do to Hughes? This fight is a technicality to justify the Hughes-GSP rubber match.
Hughes, TKO r2
Lytle (hey, I always liked the guy)

Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350)
The winner here heads to the short-list for title contention. The Red Roider is riding high on two underdog submissions, but may be in over his head against someone with better sub defense. He also had trouble early with Leben early on, and Rich has crisper strikes and better takedown defense. Franklin should keep it standing as much as possible, and be fine on the ground as long as he avoids reckless aggression . While I can easily envision this going much like Bisping-Schafer... don't ask me why (especially after all the reasons I just listed), but for some reason I have a gut feeling we'll see another upset.
MacDonald, submission r2
MacDonald

Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475)
This is a very very underrated fight in my opinion. Lambert looked flat against Rashad Evans, but let's not forget that we were all singing his praises and picking him to win decisively (who would have thought Evans would suddenly learn to finish guys?). Coming off 8 straight quality wins before that, Lambert has good BJJ and striking, and brutal GnP... he may well put a hurting on Babalu if he winds up on top. Sobral may be behind Evans in pure wrestling, but more than makes up for it with submission skill. Lambert will have to be very cautious to avoid them, but probably gets caught at some point. This could be a very exciting, back-and-forth fight.
Babalu, submission r1
Lambert

Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250)
I like Fioravanti a lot, and there are just not enough guys named Luigi running around. But Jon Fitch has been quietly racking up solid wins with virtually no fanfare (e.g., this is a dark match). The guy is extremely well-rounded and should make some noise soon in the WW division, but it'll take a win over a bigger name Fioravanti to attract attention. They match up pretty well; with neither looking to have a real killer instinct, I think this goes the distance.
Fitch, decision
undecided

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)
Both guys are big punchers, which always means a fight can go either way. Whoever hits first should grab the advantage; McFedries is a lot sloppier, so that ought to be Kampmann.
Kampmann, KO r1
Kampmann

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)
Hamill, because I've at least heard of him (of course, he's never heard of me. Ha!)
Hamill

Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200)
Jason Gilliam (+280) vs Jamie Varner (-360)
Don't know, don't really care

MacBarnacle · 03-01-2007, 03:15 PM

I am actually picking Randy because he will likely come in with a great gameplan, whatever that might be. I also think he would have a much better shot at beating Cro Cop as well. Although I would gibe timmy a 2% chance.

MacBarnacle · 03-01-2007, 03:17 PM

Hughes - TKO
Franklin - Rape
Babalu - Dec.
Luigi - TKO
Kampman - TKO

Patrick Bateman · 03-01-2007, 04:38 PM

How do you like Lytle? He hasn't beat a good fighter since he decisioned Misaki 5 years ago. Ok, I'll give him Spratt aswell. I think the guy sucks.

DeltaSigChi4 · 03-01-2007, 06:47 PM

Are those odds right? I haven't been to a book that accepts combat sports wagers since this past weekend. Kamp is really the dog? Geez.

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Viet Kong · 03-01-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CMAFighter

How do you like Lytle? He hasn't beat a good fighter since he decisioned Misaki 5 years ago. Ok, I'll give him Spratt aswell. I think the guy sucks.

Hes a very likeable guy that only trains MMA part time. I think hes also a part time fire fighter, and also boxes when he can. So yea, he sucks.

Von Smooten · 03-01-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaSigChi4

Are those odds right?

teh oops.

Patrick Bateman · 03-01-2007, 08:15 PM

Ah yes, I realized after that smoots probably meant he likes him (as a person), not his fighting talent. Which I agree, Lytle is a nice guy, but a shitty fighter.

Viet Kong · 03-01-2007, 08:24 PM

Im a sucker for underdog bets, I like to have a "sure" bet if I am going to bet on an underdog, unless im really confident in him. All of the "sure" bets are too damn expensive. I dont have that much faith in Randy to bet on him this time. MacDonald took a lot of shots from Leben last time. Franklin hits harder, and hes much more accurate. I dont see MacDonald pulling off an upset this time, hes going to get KTFO.

I dont know who the other guy is that is fighting Hamil, but I hope he knocks Hamil out. Someones gotta be the douche that knocks out the deaf guy, might as well be a nobody.

Fredricks · 03-01-2007, 08:27 PM

Sylvia by KO (I am hoping Randy)
Hughes decision
Franklin TKO round 2
Sobral armbar round 2
Fitch decision

CounterCulture · 03-02-2007, 03:02 AM

It would make my day if deafboy got decapitated in the octagon and then Tito cries over his corpse.

Jaws · 03-02-2007, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Smooten

Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250)

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)

Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200)

Jason Gilliam (+280) vs Jamie Varner (-360)

and this is why UFC is numba juan!!11[/Dana White]

sorry smooten, not trying to shit on your thread, just on dana's head. and it even rhymes!

Kid A · 03-02-2007, 07:00 AM

I really don't care for this card, since Big Tim is so likely to win and I'll probably blow an artery out of frustration from watching it.

Go Kampmann, and hopefully the editors will have the sense to censor Lambert's disgusting bitch tits.

information sniper · 03-02-2007, 07:43 AM

this card pretty much sucks. there isnt one fight on this card i am interested in seeing/could not miss. seems like a whole card of "throw away time filler" fights.

im saying only "who i want to win" as usual.
couture (cant stand tim)
lytle (cant stand hughes)
macdonald (would like to see franklin lose again, mcdonald continue to rise. Macdonald is kinda the "heel" in this fight in pw terms)
sobral (alsways like babalu)
luigi (also based on name.)
kampman ( i like this guy)
holman( cant stand hamill_

Randy Savage · 03-02-2007, 11:56 AM

I think tim is going to win... but if he gives another goddamn grass growing performance, I'm off the bandwagon... he needs to find his fucking ball sack and reattach it... fighting is scary... get over it and knock people out. my guess would be 4th round stoppage.

i think babalu will look great... still think he's #2 at LHW.

guessing rich will do fine if he doesn't get his ribs broken off the bat...

hopefully we see something worth a shit from matt hamill... ie good enough standup for a legit takedown and some brutal gnp...

asdf · 03-02-2007, 02:06 PM

Slyvia TKO 3
The old man has become a punching bag lately, so I doubt he'll last the distance. Couture should be ready to go by the second, but Sylvia will drag it on because he's a boring, lumbering Neandertal.

Hughes TKO 2
Franklin KO 1
Babalu TKO 2

Don't give a fuck about the rest. Hell, I don't really even give a fuck about the ones I made a prediction on.

Envy · 03-02-2007, 02:35 PM

I'm picking the favorites. All of them.

Funboy · 03-03-2007, 03:41 AM

Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275)

Couture all the way. Fuck Sylvia, I hope he shits his pants again.

Randy, decision
Randy Couture

Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650)

I doubt this will be competitive (might be if the fight was in Pride)

Hughes, RAPE 1st
Hughes

Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350)

MacDonald will "get lucky" again. The winner of this fight is supposed to get a title shot against Silva, should be a fun beatdown.

MacDonald, submission
MacDonald

Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475)

Jason Lambert is pathetic. I hope he loses and is dropped from UFC. Babalu should win easily as long as he doesn't fight like a retard again.

Babalu
Babalu

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)

This should be a good fight if McFedries fights like he did in his last fight (haven't seen any of his other fights). Kampmann is almost Finnish (geographically), so war Kampmann.

Kampmann, KO
Kampmann

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)

Fuck Matt Hamill.

Holman
Holman

GORT · 03-03-2007, 11:38 AM

Couture-Sylvia

Want- Couture TKO 4
Will - Sylvia KO 1

Hughes-Lytle

Want - Lytle KO rd 2
Will - Hughes decision

Franklin - Mcdonald

Want - Mcdonald KO 1
Will - Mcdonald choke 2

Sobral submission rd 1
Mcfriedries KO 2

Flibb · 03-03-2007, 11:56 AM

Couture Decision (wins 3 rounds loses 2)
Lytle Sub 3
Babalu Sub 1
Franklin loses via sub 1
That retarded deaf guy loses via ko

YPOV · 03-03-2007, 11:59 AM

I'm surprised at the number of people picking MacDonald.

CounterCulture · 03-03-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YPOV

I'm surprised at the number of people picking MacDonald.

That didn't shock me as much as the number of people picking Couture.

Kid A · 03-03-2007, 12:12 PM

I changed my mind about Couture, for some reason I have a feeling he's going to dominate Tim. Just wanted to have that said in print.

YPOV · 03-03-2007, 12:19 PM

I really want Couture to win, and have been going over the reasons as to why he should, but still....

Ahh fuck it, Couture is going to grind out a decision victory.

Von Smooten · 03-03-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by YPOV

I'm surprised at the number of people picking MacDonald.

It's mostly just wishful thinking, at least on my part.

I am starting to genuinely believe Couture will win though.

ebeneezer · 03-03-2007, 12:50 PM

Sylvia TKO round 3

Randy will start off great then fade then get lurch leg kicked into retirement again.

Hughes GNP round 2

As was already pointed out, Chris "I talk like a cartoon turtle" Lyltle couldn't do anything against Serra and this fight was put together for the express purpose of giving Hughes a win going into a third fight with GPS.

Franklin KO 2

Jason "the chemically enhanced athlete" McDonald is totally out of his depth here.
They should have put him in with Kendall to continue his "scourge of the TUF middleweights" angle.

Babalu - 2nd round sub

Kampmann - 3rd round TKO

Viet Kong · 03-03-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

I changed my mind about Couture, for some reason I have a feeling he's going to dominate Tim. Just wanted to have that said in print.

I could see that happening for about 3 rounds, but not 5. If Randy can mount him and land a shit load of elbows, maybe he can injure Sylvia's eye or something for the stoppage.

I just hope Randy doesnt bring the same gameplan that he brought for Chuck 2,3 and tries to stand with Tim too long. He needs to clinch right away.

We are all assuming that Randy is the same Randy, the one that always has 1 more fight left in him. I hope we dont see Randy, the 43 year old man that shouldve stayed retire get KTFO quickly.

JohnGalt · 03-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Randy by Legendary ass-whooping

Patrick Bateman · 03-03-2007, 01:40 PM

Randy Couture
Matt Hughes
Jason MacDonald
Renato Sobral

I'll be at the leaf game for the other fights, thus, I don't give a shit about them.

blake bowman · 03-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275)
Randy will be a better ring general and more patient than anyone Tim's fought and there are just not enough guys named Luigi running around. But Jon Fitch has been quietly racking up solid wins with virtually no fanfare (e.g., this is a dark match). The guy is extremely well-rounded and should make some noise soon in the WW division, but it'll take a win over a bigger name Fioravanti to attract attention. They match up pretty well; with neither looking to have a real killer instinct, I think this goes the distance. and also probably the best wrestler too. Randy knows how to win this fight, and stands a good chance of doing it. Same coin though, so does Tim. The slide is in favor of Randy over time getting in the range and tossing Tim moreso than Tim finally wearing down with his range. Should be a really good strategy match up too. Tim's not just some piece of shit. He's a decent underrespected fighter.
Who will win - Randy late fight submission
Who I want - Randy

Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650)
I like Lytle, like, know him personally and have his cell phone number. He offered to pick me up at the airport a couple times in indy. Super guy. But anyone that was on the dawg knows that I have a nearly homo man crush on everything Matt Hughes. Lytle is a decent wrestler, taps brown belts in practice, good hands. But Hughes is a better wrestler, ADCC vet with not as good, but still okay hands. He'll overpower a 155er that refuses to cut weight.

Hughes, TKO r2
Both

Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350)
Just feel an upset. MacD is good and Franklin can be underprepared.
MacDonald, submission r1
Rich

Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475)
I hug mad Babalu nuts. But to say he's "well behind Rashad" in pure wrestling is not really true. He's much much closer to the top a wrestling ability than Rashad is to kickboxing or submissions.
Babalu, submission r2
Babalu

Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250)
Luigi is another guy that I know and have trained with. I like him. He's super tough. I think he'll take the decision
Luigi, decision
Green Mario bro

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)
Kampmann...just because
Kampmann, TKO rd 2
don't care

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)
I've fought on a card with Holman and have seen him train a couple times in Indy. He's a far better wrestler than Hamill (at least by pedigree) and a bit bigger I think
Holman
Hamill

Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200)
Jason Gilliam (+280) vs Jamie Varner (-360)
Don't know, don't really care

Ditto on those smoot

|Spencikiss · 03-03-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by YPOV

I'm surprised at the number of people picking MacDonald.

why would that surprise you? 93% of the people who post her are actually retarded.

GORT · 03-03-2007, 03:11 PM

What are your picks spence?

|Spencikiss · 03-03-2007, 04:12 PM

UFC 68: Uprising
March 3, 2007
Nationwide Arena, OH

Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275)
i like both guys (i actually feel bad for sylvia - i've met him a few times and he's a nice dude. he gets no respect and he deserves it), but randy had problems at HW because he was too small and would gas out from moving bigger fighters around. that was 5 years ago, plus he got ko'd by liddell twice in a row. sylvia, tko, mid fight, rd 2 or 3.

Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650)
hughes said he would test his hands, which could be a HUGE mistake, but i have a feeling that is him just talking. he also mentioned he his trying to bulk up and i think he's pretty pissed. lytle (who i like alot) won't make it past the 2nd round. hughes via gnp rd 1. anyway lytle could make it down to 155lbs?

Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350)
both are big dudes, but macdonald was eating some shots from leben. rich is more accurate, and hits harder than chis. rich via tko round 1. i think this will look alot like his first fight with evan tanner at 205. i was only being an idiot before about people picking jm being retarded, but i don't think he ground game is good enough to sub rich before getting hit alot, even though he is with an awesome camp.

Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475)
ok, gotta rush out now, so i'll just put the names:
sobral will sub bitch tits in rd 2

Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250)
don't know alot about them, so fitch.

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)
kampmann via tko rd 2

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)
hamill via hearing aid electrocution or UD

Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200)
rickson via armbar

gym dumb · 03-03-2007, 04:52 PM

Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275)
Gotta be quick with these picks so they'll be right to the point.
Sylvia by KO Rd.3

Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650)
Hughes by TKO Rd.2

Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350)
Rich by KO rd.1

Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475)
Sobral by Decision

Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250)
Fitch by Decision

Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260)
kampmann via tko rd 2

Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265)
hamill by TKO rd.2

Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200)
Dent by Sub rd.2[/quote]

SCB · 03-03-2007, 05:22 PM

Randy
Franklin
Hughes

animal mother · 03-03-2007, 05:26 PM

randy via sub

information sniper · 03-03-2007, 06:23 PM

i went ahead and ordered this... against my better judgement. fuck it, i dont want to download and watch on my computer and/or have to wait and watch the fights after being know results. 40 dollars, oh well. Dana needs it more than I do.

Mookie · 03-03-2007, 06:35 PM

reckon tim will gas if randy out works him past 3 rounds?

i just hope franklin beats macdonald, something about that guy just bugs me

Viet Kong · 03-03-2007, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mookie

reckon tim will gas if randy out works him past 3 rounds?

i just hope franklin beats macdonald, something about that guy just bugs me

Randy will gas before Tim does.

Mookie · 03-03-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Viet Kong

Randy will gas before Tim does.

randy cardio at 43 is still pretty damn good, i know tim is in good shape too, but i havnt really seem him pressed much, and he rarely presses the action himself.

randy didnt gas on joes vs pros

Azmodan · 03-03-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Savage

i think babalu will look great... still think he's #2 at LHW.

Maybe now you won't put your trust in fighters who don't care to prepare for a 15 minute fight.

SCB · 03-03-2007, 08:05 PM

Randy Savage pwns.

Von Smooten · 03-03-2007, 11:02 PM

We keep saying it, then not doing it. Never, ever, EVER pick against Randy Couture.

Kid A · 03-04-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Smooten

We keep saying it, then not doing it. Never, ever, EVER pick against Randy Couture.

Randy was impressive as hell, but this kind of proves what everybody barring two posters at this forum knew: The only thing Tim Sylvia really does well is being big. You're seriously not going to pick Couture as a winner over CroCop?

Babalu no 2 LHW in the world!!! Go Randy Savage.

I like how Kampmann, looking like an average-built guy, took out somebody who's obviously roided as fuck.

asdf · 03-04-2007, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdf

Slyvia TKO 3
The old man has become a punching bag lately, so I doubt he'll last the distance. Couture should be ready to go by the second, but Sylvia will drag it on because he's a boring, lumbering Neandertal.

Hughes TKO 2
Franklin KO 1
Babalu TKO 2

Eh, 50% isn't too bad...

Fuckin a, Couture looks like utter shit for 3 fights in a row and comes out with this at age 43. Completely unexpected and put a considerable dent on my wallet (for me anyways).

I've always said Sylvia was a stupid fucker who's incapable of adapting, and it was proven tonight. Sure, he wasn't going to win no matter what he did, but he made zero attempt to go for anything resembling a plan B. He fought the same way against Monson agaisnt a man who obviously wasn't Monson.

Randy Savage will likely pass off all his previous statements as trolling.

Randy Savage · 03-04-2007, 02:23 AM

haha, no troll jobs... I said randy was the best to ever step in the cage and I meant it...

as for tim... after he lost to arlo, he's never been the same guy... at one point he used his tools to knock people the fuck out... now, he does everything regardless of how boring... just to not lose... big difference. Dana brought in crocop to take him out, but randy beat him to the punch (and if he fights like he did tonight, probably will in their fight too).

Admit it... babalu had an off night... and lambert hits pretty damn hard... and probably had an off night against rashad... i have no idea what babalu was doing... other than getting hit with the thunder maker over and over and getting uppercutted to bolivian... I don't think shogun is worth much... wandy is absolutely shot... and hendo needs to find some consistency... that said... my best guess to fill the void (that I overvalued) would be rampage...

rich looked good...

tim did exactly what i feared... absolutely nothing... he still went through the motions... but it was pretty obvious after the third he was done... not to mention couture got a second and third wind... wtf... as I previously stated... I'm officially off the bandwagon... Tim has all the tools to win fights... not sure what happened mentally, but he absolutely lost his ballsack.

Tim found ways to win... I like that... he used what he had to dictate the pace of fights and win decisions... cool... what happens when you are a one dimensional fighter and cannot implement your gameplan? Disaster in the form of a 43 year old dynamo... this is where the well roundedness everyone likes to tout comes in... ie fedor... say what you want though... put anyone in the cage across from couture tonight and they would probably get beaten... He was absolutely on fire... great footwork, head movement, nice counters and combos... no need to mention the wrestling...

I was suprised to see Tim go down so easily... I'm not sure what his injury was, but he's always been retarded and scary to women... so those are out as excuses... Randy absolutely manhandled him... randy is also the strongest person to step in the cage... but still... he gave up 40 lbs and plenty of age. and I still say tim's takedown D isn't very bad... there's just a vast difference between oafs and olympic class wrestlers.

I don't see tim coming back from this and I don't see dana holding his contract too long... i'm guessing tim's salary will get dumped for fedor and company. welcome to obscurity buddy, and you deserve it. i mean... to get your first move perfectly countered? cmon... couture has always had great gameplans, but shit...

in summary... randy is absolutely the best non farve thing to happen to sports... I deserve any criticism for any over valuing of sylvia... and babalu... and I'm rooting for randy against crocop...

Kid A · 03-04-2007, 02:51 AM

Couture was good but you're overrating him. If he looked fast it was because Tim is slow as shit. He's got great unrelenting takedowns but his punching isn't super-sharp and it speaks volumes on Tim's mental weakness and lack of technique that he wasn't able to adapt to Couture throwing the same overhand right and wide left hook over and over. Bobbing and weaving with his hands down like he did on frequent occasions will eventually make him lean into a shin bone against CroCop .

I'm not surprised you make Couture out to be some kind of god because it's the only way you can find a reasonable explanation for your Sylvia nuthuggery aside from calling it trolling.

So Sylvia changed? When was he the super-striker you make him out to be? Knocking out a fat, untrained Ricco Rodriquez? Or taking out journeymen like Telligman or an even sloppier version of himself in Gan McGee? His victories against Arlovski had more to do with Andrei's inconsistency than superior talent. Tim was the same old Tim against Randy, the difference was he fought a smart and talented fighter.

Azmodan · 03-04-2007, 09:12 AM

I hope we're treated to CroCop/Couture quickly.

Babalu's striking technique goes out the window when his wind does, which happened to go pretty fast.

I actually picked MacDonald via getting 2.25 on the dollar, but the result doesn't suprise me, just how lopsided it was.

Hughes/Lytle was a snoozefest, but I think that's largely because of Matt's strength and Lytle's defensive abilities.

I'm happy Lurch lost, maybe now he'll shave that ridiculous facial hair.

Von Smooten · 03-04-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

You're seriously not going to pick Couture as a winner over CroCop?

Favorite, obviously not. But I give him a shot.

JohnGalt · 03-04-2007, 09:54 AM

Randy is gonna finish CroCop.

03-01-2007, 03:10 PM	#1
Von Smooten Juggernaut of Chicanery Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The moral high ground Posts: 15,603 Diggs: 64 vCash: 250	Vets Bets: UFC 68 I thought Brain was going to do one of these, but we're just 2 days out so I'm taking it up. Brain's is probably only over at Bloodyknux (Join now!). Anyway: UFC 68: Uprising March 3, 2007 Nationwide Arena, OH Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275) I'll be up-front: this is not a fight I can analyze objectively. I like to think Couture has a very real chance to dominate Sylvia and grind out a win, but that's probably my heart talking more than my brain. Sylvia is a HUGE opponent for Randy, who's had problems with bigger guys in the past - though of course, Ricco and Barnett have vastly better ground games than Tim Sylvia. The bigger problem will be getting him down in the first place. Say what you want about Tim (for example, he's an oaf, he's boring as shit, he looks like a doof, etc), but the guy has great takedown defense, and uses his range very well. He's also mastered the art of jabbing and backpedaling his way to victory... which is pretty much the worst-case scenario here. At the very least, I hope Tim comes out with enough aggression to try and put Randy away early. Randy has to put Tim down quickly - and he will. Wrestling is the one area where Couture has a big advantage, and he needs to utilize it. He's also a master strategist, and should know better than to try and outbox Tim the way he did Chuck. The real question is whether he can keep him down long enough, and cause sufficient damage to earn a stoppage. Machine that he is, 43-year-old cardio will be a factor; if it goes into later rounds, things will look grim. I'm either gonna celebrate or cry after this one. Who will win - Tim Sylvia, TKO r2 Who I want - Randy Couture Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650) Before the Serra fight, I would have given Lytle about 1 chance in 100 to pull out a miracle. Now, way less. He couldn't stop takedowns or mount any real offense against Matt Serra, what can he hope to do to Hughes? This fight is a technicality to justify the Hughes-GSP rubber match. Hughes, TKO r2 Lytle (hey, I always liked the guy) Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350) The winner here heads to the short-list for title contention. The Red Roider is riding high on two underdog submissions, but may be in over his head against someone with better sub defense. He also had trouble early with Leben early on, and Rich has crisper strikes and better takedown defense. Franklin should keep it standing as much as possible, and be fine on the ground as long as he avoids reckless aggression . While I can easily envision this going much like Bisping-Schafer... don't ask me why (especially after all the reasons I just listed), but for some reason I have a gut feeling we'll see another upset. MacDonald, submission r2 MacDonald Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475) This is a very very underrated fight in my opinion. Lambert looked flat against Rashad Evans, but let's not forget that we were all singing his praises and picking him to win decisively (who would have thought Evans would suddenly learn to finish guys?). Coming off 8 straight quality wins before that, Lambert has good BJJ and striking, and brutal GnP... he may well put a hurting on Babalu if he winds up on top. Sobral may be behind Evans in pure wrestling, but more than makes up for it with submission skill. Lambert will have to be very cautious to avoid them, but probably gets caught at some point. This could be a very exciting, back-and-forth fight. Babalu, submission r1 Lambert Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250) I like Fioravanti a lot, and there are just not enough guys named Luigi running around. But Jon Fitch has been quietly racking up solid wins with virtually no fanfare (e.g., this is a dark match). The guy is extremely well-rounded and should make some noise soon in the WW division, but it'll take a win over a bigger name Fioravanti to attract attention. They match up pretty well; with neither looking to have a real killer instinct, I think this goes the distance. Fitch, decision undecided Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260) Both guys are big punchers, which always means a fight can go either way. Whoever hits first should grab the advantage; McFedries is a lot sloppier, so that ought to be Kampmann. Kampmann, KO r1 Kampmann Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265) Hamill, because I've at least heard of him (of course, he's never heard of me. Ha!) Hamill Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200) Jason Gilliam (+280) vs Jamie Varner (-360) Don't know, don't really care __________________ O fish, are you constant to the old covenant? Last edited by Von Smooten : 03-02-2007 at 08:47 AM.

03-01-2007, 03:17 PM	#3
MacBarnacle Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,617 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Hughes - TKO Franklin - Rape Babalu - Dec. Luigi - TKO Kampman - TKO __________________ Don't hassle me, I'm local.

03-01-2007, 06:47 PM	#5
DeltaSigChi4 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,057 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Are those odds right? I haven't been to a book that accepts combat sports wagers since this past weekend. Kamp is really the dog? Geez. E __________________ Stop now before it's too late Been eating in the ghetto on a hundred dollar plate Nothing lasts forever That's the way it's gotta be There's a great black wave in the middle of the sea

03-02-2007, 03:02 AM	#11
CounterCulture Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston in the Dirty Dot Posts: 5,650 Diggs: 0 vCash: 0	It would make my day if deafboy got decapitated in the octagon and then Tito cries over his corpse. __________________ You make it sound so edgy. The truth is you drank half a glass of wine and reversed your old man's Volvo into his neighbours wall, then freaked out and ran down the road naked throwing little Bruce Lee kicks at your parents as they tried to calm you down. Then the Police came and tazed you. WWHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY MMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE??????????????????? CIIIINCOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-02-2007, 07:00 AM	#13
Kid A Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,373 Diggs: 7 vCash: 250	I really don't care for this card, since Big Tim is so likely to win and I'll probably blow an artery out of frustration from watching it. Go Kampmann, and hopefully the editors will have the sense to censor Lambert's disgusting bitch tits. __________________ It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week we killed my parents and hit the road. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got, I'm still Jin'emon from the block.

03-01-2007, 03:15 PM	#2
MacBarnacle Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,617 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	I am actually picking Randy because he will likely come in with a great gameplan, whatever that might be. I also think he would have a much better shot at beating Cro Cop as well. Although I would gibe timmy a 2% chance. __________________ Don't hassle me, I'm local.

03-01-2007, 04:38 PM	#4
Patrick Bateman Excellence of Execution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,772 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	How do you like Lytle? He hasn't beat a good fighter since he decisioned Misaki 5 years ago. Ok, I'll give him Spratt aswell. I think the guy sucks.

03-01-2007, 08:15 PM	#8
Patrick Bateman Excellence of Execution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,772 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Ah yes, I realized after that smoots probably meant he likes him (as a person), not his fighting talent. Which I agree, Lytle is a nice guy, but a shitty fighter.

03-01-2007, 08:24 PM	#9
Viet Kong Azn Persuasion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Right Thurr Posts: 5,750 Diggs: 0 vCash: 2360	Im a sucker for underdog bets, I like to have a "sure" bet if I am going to bet on an underdog, unless im really confident in him. All of the "sure" bets are too damn expensive. I dont have that much faith in Randy to bet on him this time. MacDonald took a lot of shots from Leben last time. Franklin hits harder, and hes much more accurate. I dont see MacDonald pulling off an upset this time, hes going to get KTFO. I dont know who the other guy is that is fighting Hamil, but I hope he knocks Hamil out. Someones gotta be the douche that knocks out the deaf guy, might as well be a nobody.

03-01-2007, 08:27 PM	#10
Fredricks Boner Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 6,729 Diggs: 0 vCash: 643	Sylvia by KO (I am hoping Randy) Hughes decision Franklin TKO round 2 Sobral armbar round 2 Fitch decision

03-02-2007, 07:43 AM	#14
information sniper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,220 Diggs: 30 vCash: 0	this card pretty much sucks. there isnt one fight on this card i am interested in seeing/could not miss. seems like a whole card of "throw away time filler" fights. im saying only "who i want to win" as usual. couture (cant stand tim) lytle (cant stand hughes) macdonald (would like to see franklin lose again, mcdonald continue to rise. Macdonald is kinda the "heel" in this fight in pw terms) sobral (alsways like babalu) luigi (also based on name.) kampman ( i like this guy) holman( cant stand hamill_ __________________ ...stencilled identity symmetrically anonymous...

03-02-2007, 11:56 AM	#15
Randy Savage Brewster's Millions Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jonesboro, Arkansas Posts: 9,025 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	I think tim is going to win... but if he gives another goddamn grass growing performance, I'm off the bandwagon... he needs to find his fucking ball sack and reattach it... fighting is scary... get over it and knock people out. my guess would be 4th round stoppage. i think babalu will look great... still think he's #2 at LHW. guessing rich will do fine if he doesn't get his ribs broken off the bat... hopefully we see something worth a shit from matt hamill... ie good enough standup for a legit takedown and some brutal gnp...

03-02-2007, 02:06 PM	#16
asdf Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,236 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Slyvia TKO 3 The old man has become a punching bag lately, so I doubt he'll last the distance. Couture should be ready to go by the second, but Sylvia will drag it on because he's a boring, lumbering Neandertal. Hughes TKO 2 Franklin KO 1 Babalu TKO 2 Don't give a fuck about the rest. Hell, I don't really even give a fuck about the ones I made a prediction on.

03-02-2007, 02:35 PM	#17
Envy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,040 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	I'm picking the favorites. All of them. __________________ "It is not a fragrant world." -Raymond Chandler

03-03-2007, 03:41 AM	#18
Funboy King of Arcade Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: frozen shithole Posts: 1,234 Diggs: 0 vCash: 1503	Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275) Couture all the way. Fuck Sylvia, I hope he shits his pants again. Randy, decision Randy Couture Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650) I doubt this will be competitive (might be if the fight was in Pride) Hughes, RAPE 1st Hughes Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350) MacDonald will "get lucky" again. The winner of this fight is supposed to get a title shot against Silva, should be a fun beatdown. MacDonald, submission MacDonald Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475) Jason Lambert is pathetic. I hope he loses and is dropped from UFC. Babalu should win easily as long as he doesn't fight like a retard again. Babalu Babalu Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260) This should be a good fight if McFedries fights like he did in his last fight (haven't seen any of his other fights). Kampmann is almost Finnish (geographically), so war Kampmann. Kampmann, KO Kampmann Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265) Fuck Matt Hamill. Holman Holman __________________ Atleast I'm not Unregistered

03-03-2007, 11:38 AM	#19
GORT The Long Goodbye Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Placeholder Posts: 8,519 Diggs: 2 vCash: 250	Couture-Sylvia Want- Couture TKO 4 Will - Sylvia KO 1 Hughes-Lytle Want - Lytle KO rd 2 Will - Hughes decision Franklin - Mcdonald Want - Mcdonald KO 1 Will - Mcdonald choke 2 Sobral submission rd 1 Mcfriedries KO 2

03-03-2007, 11:56 AM	#20
Flibb Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 4,597 Diggs: 6 vCash: 937	Couture Decision (wins 3 rounds loses 2) Lytle Sub 3 Babalu Sub 1 Franklin loses via sub 1 That retarded deaf guy loses via ko

03-03-2007, 11:59 AM	#21
YPOV Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,527 Diggs: 18 vCash: 500	I'm surprised at the number of people picking MacDonald. __________________ "He comes in very cocky, a professional fighter you shouldn't be like that, I mean, I have respect for every fighter I fight. " - Tito Ortiz

03-03-2007, 12:12 PM	#23
Kid A Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,373 Diggs: 7 vCash: 250	I changed my mind about Couture, for some reason I have a feeling he's going to dominate Tim. Just wanted to have that said in print. __________________ It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week we killed my parents and hit the road. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got, I'm still Jin'emon from the block.

03-03-2007, 12:19 PM	#24
YPOV Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,527 Diggs: 18 vCash: 500	I really want Couture to win, and have been going over the reasons as to why he should, but still.... Ahh fuck it, Couture is going to grind out a decision victory. __________________ "He comes in very cocky, a professional fighter you shouldn't be like that, I mean, I have respect for every fighter I fight. " - Tito Ortiz

03-03-2007, 12:50 PM	#26
ebeneezer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,387 Diggs: 1 vCash: 250	Sylvia TKO round 3 Randy will start off great then fade then get lurch leg kicked into retirement again. Hughes GNP round 2 As was already pointed out, Chris "I talk like a cartoon turtle" Lyltle couldn't do anything against Serra and this fight was put together for the express purpose of giving Hughes a win going into a third fight with GPS. Franklin KO 2 Jason "the chemically enhanced athlete" McDonald is totally out of his depth here. They should have put him in with Kendall to continue his "scourge of the TUF middleweights" angle. Babalu - 2nd round sub Kampmann - 3rd round TKO

03-03-2007, 01:28 PM	#28
JohnGalt Hype Destroyer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,316 Diggs: 0 vCash: 571	Randy by Legendary ass-whooping __________________ "Sometimes hype just ain't enough"

03-03-2007, 01:40 PM	#29
Patrick Bateman Excellence of Execution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,772 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Randy Couture Matt Hughes Jason MacDonald Renato Sobral I'll be at the leaf game for the other fights, thus, I don't give a shit about them.

03-03-2007, 03:11 PM	#32
GORT The Long Goodbye Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Placeholder Posts: 8,519 Diggs: 2 vCash: 250	What are your picks spence?

03-03-2007, 04:12 PM	#33
\|Spencikiss Good Shawn Johnson Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 14,036 Diggs: 6 vCash: 1050	UFC 68: Uprising March 3, 2007 Nationwide Arena, OH Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275) i like both guys (i actually feel bad for sylvia - i've met him a few times and he's a nice dude. he gets no respect and he deserves it), but randy had problems at HW because he was too small and would gas out from moving bigger fighters around. that was 5 years ago, plus he got ko'd by liddell twice in a row. sylvia, tko, mid fight, rd 2 or 3. Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650) hughes said he would test his hands, which could be a HUGE mistake, but i have a feeling that is him just talking. he also mentioned he his trying to bulk up and i think he's pretty pissed. lytle (who i like alot) won't make it past the 2nd round. hughes via gnp rd 1. anyway lytle could make it down to 155lbs? Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350) both are big dudes, but macdonald was eating some shots from leben. rich is more accurate, and hits harder than chis. rich via tko round 1. i think this will look alot like his first fight with evan tanner at 205. i was only being an idiot before about people picking jm being retarded, but i don't think he ground game is good enough to sub rich before getting hit alot, even though he is with an awesome camp. Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475) ok, gotta rush out now, so i'll just put the names: sobral will sub bitch tits in rd 2 Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250) don't know alot about them, so fitch. Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260) kampmann via tko rd 2 Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265) hamill via hearing aid electrocution or UD Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200) rickson via armbar __________________ No, you are. "you have a nice little body, spen. " - Tang God

03-03-2007, 04:52 PM	#34
gym dumb Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: .-_< Posts: 3,348 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	Randy Couture (+215) vs Tim Sylvia (-275) Gotta be quick with these picks so they'll be right to the point. Sylvia by KO Rd.3 Chris Lytle (+450) vs Matt Hughes (-650) Hughes by TKO Rd.2 Rich Franklin (-500) vs Jason MacDonald (+350) Rich by KO rd.1 Jason Lambert (+325) vs Renato Sobral (-475) Sobral by Decision Jon Fitch (-325) vs Luigi Fioravanti (+250) Fitch by Decision Drew McFedries (+200) vs Martin Kampmann (-260) kampmann via tko rd 2 Rex Holman (+205) vs Matt Hamill (-265) hamill by TKO rd.2 Gleison Tibau (-260) vs Jason Dent (+200) Dent by Sub rd.2[/quote] __________________ "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" ~ Steven Wright I do everything half assed but I work twice as long.

03-03-2007, 05:26 PM	#36
animal mother Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 122 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	randy via sub __________________ http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/

03-03-2007, 06:23 PM	#37
information sniper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,220 Diggs: 30 vCash: 0	i went ahead and ordered this... against my better judgement. fuck it, i dont want to download and watch on my computer and/or have to wait and watch the fights after being know results. 40 dollars, oh well. Dana needs it more than I do. __________________ ...stencilled identity symmetrically anonymous...

03-03-2007, 06:35 PM	#38
Mookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A car wash near you Posts: 5,287 Diggs: 10 vCash: 400	reckon tim will gas if randy out works him past 3 rounds? i just hope franklin beats macdonald, something about that guy just bugs me __________________ Presumptuous? thats a big word for an 8 year old Last edited by Mookie : 03-03-2007 at 06:38 PM.

03-03-2007, 11:02 PM	#43
Von Smooten Juggernaut of Chicanery Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The moral high ground Posts: 15,603 Diggs: 64 vCash: 250	We keep saying it, then not doing it. Never, ever, EVER pick against Randy Couture. __________________ O fish, are you constant to the old covenant?

03-04-2007, 02:23 AM	#46
Randy Savage Brewster's Millions Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jonesboro, Arkansas Posts: 9,025 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	haha, no troll jobs... I said randy was the best to ever step in the cage and I meant it... as for tim... after he lost to arlo, he's never been the same guy... at one point he used his tools to knock people the fuck out... now, he does everything regardless of how boring... just to not lose... big difference. Dana brought in crocop to take him out, but randy beat him to the punch (and if he fights like he did tonight, probably will in their fight too). Admit it... babalu had an off night... and lambert hits pretty damn hard... and probably had an off night against rashad... i have no idea what babalu was doing... other than getting hit with the thunder maker over and over and getting uppercutted to bolivian... I don't think shogun is worth much... wandy is absolutely shot... and hendo needs to find some consistency... that said... my best guess to fill the void (that I overvalued) would be rampage... rich looked good... tim did exactly what i feared... absolutely nothing... he still went through the motions... but it was pretty obvious after the third he was done... not to mention couture got a second and third wind... wtf... as I previously stated... I'm officially off the bandwagon... Tim has all the tools to win fights... not sure what happened mentally, but he absolutely lost his ballsack. Tim found ways to win... I like that... he used what he had to dictate the pace of fights and win decisions... cool... what happens when you are a one dimensional fighter and cannot implement your gameplan? Disaster in the form of a 43 year old dynamo... this is where the well roundedness everyone likes to tout comes in... ie fedor... say what you want though... put anyone in the cage across from couture tonight and they would probably get beaten... He was absolutely on fire... great footwork, head movement, nice counters and combos... no need to mention the wrestling... I was suprised to see Tim go down so easily... I'm not sure what his injury was, but he's always been retarded and scary to women... so those are out as excuses... Randy absolutely manhandled him... randy is also the strongest person to step in the cage... but still... he gave up 40 lbs and plenty of age. and I still say tim's takedown D isn't very bad... there's just a vast difference between oafs and olympic class wrestlers. I don't see tim coming back from this and I don't see dana holding his contract too long... i'm guessing tim's salary will get dumped for fedor and company. welcome to obscurity buddy, and you deserve it. i mean... to get your first move perfectly countered? cmon... couture has always had great gameplans, but shit... in summary... randy is absolutely the best non farve thing to happen to sports... I deserve any criticism for any over valuing of sylvia... and babalu... and I'm rooting for randy against crocop...

03-04-2007, 02:51 AM	#47
Kid A Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,373 Diggs: 7 vCash: 250	Couture was good but you're overrating him. If he looked fast it was because Tim is slow as shit. He's got great unrelenting takedowns but his punching isn't super-sharp and it speaks volumes on Tim's mental weakness and lack of technique that he wasn't able to adapt to Couture throwing the same overhand right and wide left hook over and over. Bobbing and weaving with his hands down like he did on frequent occasions will eventually make him lean into a shin bone against CroCop . I'm not surprised you make Couture out to be some kind of god because it's the only way you can find a reasonable explanation for your Sylvia nuthuggery aside from calling it trolling. So Sylvia changed? When was he the super-striker you make him out to be? Knocking out a fat, untrained Ricco Rodriquez? Or taking out journeymen like Telligman or an even sloppier version of himself in Gan McGee? His victories against Arlovski had more to do with Andrei's inconsistency than superior talent. Tim was the same old Tim against Randy, the difference was he fought a smart and talented fighter. __________________ It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week we killed my parents and hit the road. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got, I'm still Jin'emon from the block. Last edited by Kid A : 03-04-2007 at 09:15 AM.

03-04-2007, 09:12 AM	#48
Azmodan Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,479 Diggs: 0 vCash: 250	I hope we're treated to CroCop/Couture quickly. Babalu's striking technique goes out the window when his wind does, which happened to go pretty fast. I actually picked MacDonald via getting 2.25 on the dollar, but the result doesn't suprise me, just how lopsided it was. Hughes/Lytle was a snoozefest, but I think that's largely because of Matt's strength and Lytle's defensive abilities. I'm happy Lurch lost, maybe now he'll shave that ridiculous facial hair.

03-04-2007, 09:54 AM	#50
JohnGalt Hype Destroyer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,316 Diggs: 0 vCash: 571	Randy is gonna finish CroCop. __________________ "Sometimes hype just ain't enough"